FCP 7: Pick the Right Version of ProRes

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[ This article was first published in the May, 2010, issue of
Larry’s Monthly Final Cut Studio Newsletter. Click here to subscribe. ]


With the release of Final Cut Pro 7, Apple increased the number of ProRes versions from two to five:

So, that begs the question: which version should you use for your project?

The first four flavors of ProRes in this list are identical in every respect, except one – bit rate. They all support:

There is a relationship between bit rate, file size, and image quality. In general, the lower the bit rate, the smaller the file size, and, potentially, the lower the image quality. The five versions of ProRes in the list above are sorted in order from lowest bit rate to highest bit rate.

ProRes 4444, the fifth version, is the exception. While it builds on the first four ProRes versions, it adds support for the following:

If you need a clip to retain transparency information, which is called the “Alpha channel,” you only have one choice: ProRes 4444. None of the other ProRes versions support clip transparency.

Well, since it’s clear that ProRes 4444 is the absolute “best” in terms of quality, it seems like we should all just select ProRes 4444 and be done with it.

The problem with this approach is that your file sizes can be quite large, not as large as fully uncompressed HD, but still pretty darn big. (Well, actually, REALLY BIG!) And, unless you have a specific need for this format, you probably won’t be able to see the difference in image quality between ProRes 4444 and other ProRes versions. Also, using ProRes 4444 in your project probably means you’d need to render every shot.

Think of ProRes 4444 as the replacement for the Animation codec. We use the Animation codec when we want to move files between one application and another; for example, between After Effects and Final Cut. Then, once it’s in Final Cut, you render it into the final version you need for your project.

As a transfer format, ProRes 4444 is great. As a video editing format, it’s way past overkill. Most of the time, you will be fully happy with one of the four other versions. And your file sizes will be much smaller.

The four other versions of ProRes differ in only one area: data rate. Changing the data rate directly affects file size and image quality. The slower the data rate, the smaller the resulting file and, potentially, the lower the image quality.

For example, here’s a table that showcases the difference. This is just a guide, different formats create different file sizes, but the general proportions will be the same.

TABLE: ProRes Storage Requirements

ProRes VersionStore 1 Hour of 720p/60*

ProRes 422 Proxy

20 GB

ProRes 422 LT

46 GB

ProRes 422

66 GB

ProRes 422 HQ

99 GB

ProRes 4444 (no alpha)

148 GB

* Source: Apple Inc. ProRes White Paper, June, 2009.

 

NOTES:

* All versions of ProRes use variable-bit-rate encoding, so the actual data rate and file sizes will differ somewhat from this table. In most cases, they will be smaller.

 

** ProRes 4444 is listed without including the alpha channel. As alpha channel sizes vary wildly, it is hard to predict the ultimate ProRes file size.

However, the situation isn’t as grim as you might think. Here are some suggestions you can reflect on as you are trying to decide what codec to use.

ADDITIONAL POINTS

RECOMMENDATIONS

If you are shooting GOP-compressed media – HDV, XDCAM HD, XDCAM EX, AVCHD, AVCCAM – your editing and render times will greatly benefit from converting your footage from the source format into some version of ProRes.

At a minimum, when editing one of these formats, select the Timeline and go to Sequence > Settings > Render Control and change the codec from Same as Source to Apple ProRes 422. My tests have shown that there is about a 40% speed improvement in rendering when you switch to ProRes.

ProRes 422 HQ: This is the highest-quality video format, but unless you are shooting very carefully-lit, high-end video, such as RED, HDCAM, or HDCAM SR, the quality of your source image doesn’t equal the format. Use this version only for high-end work.

ProRes 422: This is the format I recommend for anyone shooting DSLR, HDV, AVCHD, XDCAM EX, XDCAM HD, AVCAM, or P2. Great image quality, with file sizes 30-35% smaller than ProRes 422 HQ. Since the DSLR images start as H.264, which is already quite compressed, ProRes 422 most closely matches the original image quality.

ProRes 422 LT: This is the format to use if you have tons of footage, need to edit using smaller (i.e. less storage space) hard drives, or are going to go thru an off-line to on-line process.

ProRes 422 Proxy: This format should only be used when file size is more important than image quality. Training files, library archive files, or other reference media are a good choice for this format.

NOTE: If you are on an older, non-Intel system, ProRes may not be a good choice for you. The math involved is very CPU-intensive and older systems may not be able to encode or play it fast enough.

ProRes is an excellent video codec and one that has achieved great popularity in the industry. However, that doesn’t mean you always need to select the absolute highest quality — many times our images weren’t that good to start with.

By spending a few seconds thinking about which ProRes version best matches our video format, we can save a ton of time and storage space down the road.

UPDATE – Aug. 30, 2009

Luca Immesi adds:

I enjoy your newsletter every month, it’s a real valuable source. I’m a film maker and I am one of the Red, Redallert, Clipfinder alpha tester. In your last newsletter there’s written to convert the R3D footage to prores 4:2:2 but now the right format is ProRes 4444 as R3D files are 4:4:4, this is suggested also by Red and Apple.

Larry replies: Thanks, Luca! Though it may be easier for some, especially those not going into heavy CGI work, to keep their file sizes smaller and transcode into ProRes 422 HQ.


Some Historial Background

[ The information below was first published in the June, 2007, issue of
Larry’s Final Cut Pro Newsletter. Click here to subscribe.
Updated August, 2007. ]

Chuck Spaulding has been involved in motion graphics and codecs for a number of years. Recently, he and I got into a discussion of video codecs and he provided his thoughts on Apple’s ProRes codec.

Quality appears to be quite good, although I’m sure the folks at Cineform and SheerVideo will do a comprehensive evaluation and we’ll learn the RMS error rate, what its weaknesses are and how it holds up in post. However image quality is only half the equation, workflow is the other half and I’m having a tough time figuring out a workflow that makes sense.

 

After seven or eight generations of ProRes re-compression there is a noticeable difference compared to the uncompressed original which means that the codec isn’t lossless, which would seem to be a minimal standard for an editing codec. If ProRes progressively degrades the image even when you haven’t edited a single pixel, how can it possibly hold up under real-life situations where you’re transforming, filtering, adding effects, compositing, color-grading, and so on?

 

So ProRes is a lossy codec, it is 4:2:2 [not 4:4:4], it is Y’CbCr [not RGB], and it does not support alpha channels. Nowadays, almost all commercial productions combine video (Y’CbCr) footage with digitized film (Cineon) and CGI (RGB), so the ability to handle and transport data equally well is imperative, as is the ability to convert between them without loss. It’s hard to imagine a video or film production without compositing, yet Apple’s ProRes codec, like their uncompressed Y’CbCr 4:2:2 and AIC codecs, do not support an alpha channel.

 

The lack of an embedded alpha channel means that compositing requires two streams of data for each overlay instead of just one, exacerbating the already painful bandwidth problems associated with high-definition video. Also, in SD, video professionals are accustomed to smeared chroma, there’s a popular myth that sub-sampling chroma doesn’t matter because the human eye doesn’t resolve chrominance as well as luminance. In the human retina as a whole, it’s true that color-blind rods outnumber hue-discriminating cones. In the fovea, however, which receives the part of the image we pay attention to, the retina has no rods at all – only cones. So while 4:2:2 may look good enough for standard definition video it is not good enough for anything beyond SD.

 

That doesn’t mean that it isn’t a step in the right direction and I’m sure FCP users will adopt it. However one real problem with this codec is that it is Apple-only, meaning it won’t work with Premiere on the Mac Pro. This is a significant constraint of the workflow.

Larry replies: Thanks, Chuck. If anyone has additional comments, please send them and I’ll update this article.


UPDATE – August, 2007

Peter Patten writes:

In reading your recent article on ProRes, are you really sure that the Apple Pro Res 422 Codec differentiates between 8-bit and 10-bit converting? I went through the Apple Pro Res 422 Codec and I could never find that difference!

 

It is always said that it encodes 8-bit and 10-bit Material with 10 bit in two different ways. But it never said that the (HQ) is converted with 10-bit and the lower one with 8-bit.

 

So just the question: Are you really sure?

Larry replies: Peter, thanks for writing. It turns out my initial understanding was wrong.

ProRes 422 ALWAYS stores video information in a 10-bit environment. The difference between ProRes 422 and ProRes 422 (HQ) is the data rate, not the bit depth.

To make sure of my facts, I contacted Adam Green, Senior Manager for Business and Market Development for Apple’s Professional Applications. Adam wrote:

Yes, ProRes is a 10 bit native codec only, and can be used with either 8 or 10 bit sources. 8-bit sources (DVCProHD, for example) would be converted into a 10-bit file. ProRes and ProRes (HQ) are BOTH 10-bit codecs, and there is no option to choose 8-bit when capturing.

 

Also, you are correct, ProRes 422 only runs on Macintosh systems. Right now, the codec is a Mac-only codec which resides in /Library/QuickTIme/. The answer today for PC users would be to attache to a Final Cut Server Server, and when a ProRes file is browsed on the server (the proxy would be H.264 or Offline-RT), and the PC user wants the online file, there would be a transcode template assigned to that device.

 

So essentially, the PC user would choose Uncompressed or Animation as the download codec, and the ProRes file would be converted as the file is downloaded. That way, codecs that are not available on the PC can be used anyhow. Good for people doing After Effects work, etc.

Larry replies: Thanks, Adam and Peter, for letting me clarify this. As a note, while Adam implies that Final Cut Server is currently available, it has only been announced by Apple, it is not yet released.

Also, here are some additional thoughts based on what I’ve learned recently.

If you are working in the following formats, there is no reason to use ProRes 422:

If you are working in the following formats, ProRes is worth considering, but probably not worth the effort:

If you are working completely in HDV or XDCAM, you should continue working natively in that format, HOWEVER, make sure to change your Render preferences so that you are rendering in ProRes. ProRes renders 30-40% faster than HDV.

If you are working in HDCAM or HDCAM SR, or multiple HD formats, ProRes makes a great deal of sense in terms of reducing file size and speeding render times.

UPDATE – Aug. 22, 2007

Tom Wolsky writes:

Does this presume that you’ll be outputting to ProRes? If you output a master back to native HDV, won’t everything have to be re-render into HDV, losing all the saved time on the backside?

Larry repllies: Tom, in my tests, rendering HDV with ProRes was 34% faster than rendering native HDV with no change in export time. In other words, conforming took essentially the same time, whether I was rendering in HDV or ProRes.

 


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  2. Dominic says:

    Great article Larry ! Thanks !

    • Mike T. says:

      Hi Larry, in one of your last responses, you stated, “If you are working in the following formats, there is no reason to use ProRes 422: DVCProHD”. Could you please expound on why Editing & Color Grading in DVCProHD would see no additional benefits if it was first transcoded into ProRes?

      For my network editing, they shoot DVCProHD, edit in ProRes422 then master to tape in DVCProHD. In FCPX, it is also recommended to let the application transcode your media into ProRes422 for “optimized” performance and quality. I’d like to understand the benefits of your argument. Thanks!

  3. James Hecht says:

    Hi Larry, Im working with R3D files. When I import to FCP X Can I have both ProRes 422 HQ and ProRes Proxi created and edit with the PROXI files then use FCP X to switch to the ProRes 422 HQ files for expert. Thanks James

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  5. Saibu says:

    please sir help me find a complete video or not, “Step by step Apple ProRes 422 PROXY workflow”, please. I can´t find any.
    I´ve never used Apple ProRes 422 PROXY and I´ve all the doubts on how to use it, final quality, etc, etc.

    My original files are from a Canon 5DMII (H.264) and I usually transcode to Apple ProRes HQ with the EOS1-plug-in. The renderings are too long…during my editing ,-( Too long and my machine stops with the heat after several hours.
    (I´ve my settings ok, between my files and my project, etc).

    Is Apple ProRes 422 PROXY, a possible solution, at least during the editing process? Good quality and less time rendering?
    What about final output? Can I have 1080p/25 pristine as I´ve now?

    I´m editing with a
    iMac 3.1 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo/4GB DDR3RAM.

  6. Hi Larry,

    Love this site! Thanks so much for this post. I’m wondering if you might shed some light on an issue I’m having. I’m cutting a low budget, independant feature that was, until this week, shooting on the Canon 7D. We have a rather unusual schedule in that we shoot Sun – Tues, I transcode to ProRes, Log & Sync between Tuesday night and Thursday, then we screen dailies, cut scenes and review from Thurs – Sat, before beginning the process anew.

    Obviously, the time it takes to transcode is paramount. For six weeks I’ve had no problem encoding 3 days worth of files in one night using MPEG Streamclip. Last week however, we switched cameras (due to technical reasons) from the Canon 7D to the Nikon D7100. It’s still an H.264 encoded quicktime file, but for some reason the transcoding times are taking 5 times longer, significantly impacting our rather rigorous schedule. I can’t seem to figure out why this is. Might you have any idea?

    Thanks so much for your help

  7. Great article and comments. I know the spec allows for up to 12 bit and RGB, but have you ever seen a 12 bit or high bit depth RGB ProRes file? Everything we’ve encountered has been YCbCr at 10 bits 4:2:2 or 4:4:4(:4). Also, FYI we have added a link to your article in our article about ProRes color and gamma shifts:

    http://www.drastic.tv/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=202:prores-colour-shifts-in-post-production&catid=59&Itemid=94

    Cheers, James

  8. Thomas says:

    I don’t get it: I’ve edited an animated short film. Original materials are in PNG encapsulated in MOV files in 1920x1080P at 25fps. My sequence is set in Apple Prores 422 HQ 1920x1080P at 25fps.
    When I export my sequence in Quicktime Movie, the output files looks good.
    As requested by a film festival, I also need to export an Apple Prores 422 HQ 1920x1080P at 24fps AND a Image Sequence in TIFF at 25fps. For both of these exports, the image look much more darker than it should (e.i. My first export in Apple Prores 422 HQ 1920x1080P at 25fps). I don’t know where this issue comes from and how to solve it. Any idea(s)?

  9. izwan says:

    I have a question… I’m using fcpx to edit. Is it good to transcode all my rushes into apple pro res (hq) first then import to fcpx or just import it straightaway.. Need help here..

    • Larry says:

      Izwan:

      Unless you are using a really good camera (more than $10,000), excellent lighting and outstanding lenses, there’s no benefit to using ProRes 422 HQ vs. ProRes 422.

      My general recommendation is to check the “Optimize Media” checkbox during import into FCP X and let FCP convert your files for you automatically.

      Larry

  10. David Mendes says:

    Hi Larry,

    I’m thinking to sell My 2x Sony Ex-3 for 2 x Sony Nex FS700. Until now i use the xdcam workflow in my company and is everything great.

    I test some footage from FS700 (AVCHD Codec) converted to Apple Prores and Prores (LT) and i can’t se any diference in image quality… I put many filters and color grading and it looks the same. Because i have the footage in a gigabit server for all the computers in my company (3), i’m thinking to use the LT for best Speed. The “regular” Prores have a little delay In playback.

    I think that it looks like similar because The AVCHD, is already compressed with a lowbitrate. What do you think?

    Thanks for the help,
    David Mendes

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